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"grissol21":to4i9dm2 wrote: the whole organic fad is lost on me as i don't see the benefits.[/quote:to4i9dm2]After extensive research, I'm finally reaching a conclusion on organic beer: organic beers from breweries that make non-organic stuff (Honey Dew, St Peter's Organic Best Bitter) are crap. But beer from all-organic breweries (Marble, Cantillon, Spectrum) are brilliant.

I reckon making it organic adds nothing, but if you're taking the trouble to be all organic, then you're more likely to do other things that improve the quality of your beer.

I'll second that. Good observation. Pinkus Müller are all organic, and I love the delicate beers they make. They don't make a big deal out of it as far as I can see, it's just the way they do it.

that report deliberately (I mean consciously, not underhand) ignored the issue of pesticide contamination in food, and the damage that long term pesticide and inorganic fertiliser can do to farm land and runoff in rivers. My guess is that most fans of organic food never supposed that vitamin for vitamin (or whatever) the particular vegetable itself was actually more nutritious, but rather the bigger picture is what is at stake, and that is the toll that inorganic farming takes on the land, and also the long term health risks associated with pesticides that have not been sufficiently tested.

Furthermore many hop varieties are now bred to be resistant to mildew and wilt which are the main problems. As far as pests go, some organic hopyards let animals such as sheep and ducks roam the yard to eat slugs and keep the weeds down (once the shoots are big enough that they don't get eaten themselves!)

Don't forget the poor bees Richie...poor things are getting lost and can't do their dance because of those nasty pesticides ..

On the other topic I CANT WAIT TO TASTE YOUR BEER.

Is it near the village in Ballymacoda? I used to holiday there in the 80's. Is the pub with the giant wooden spoon still there? My parent used to stop outside it when I was bold and head towards the door looking to get the spoon to beat me with....luckily it seemed closed during the day <!-- s:!: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="" title="Exclamation" /><!-- s:!: -->

yes the poor bees. I'm growing lots of borage for them. I saw an interesting book in waterstones today about what's going to happen without the poor bees but I can't remember its name

&amp;quot;rossa&amp;quot;:1miivkxm wrote: My parent used to stop outside it when I was bold and head towards the door looking to get the spoon to beat me with....[/quote:1miivkxm]

haha I can't wait to have children

I'd say they really enjoyed ripping it out of us <!-- s:!: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="" title="Exclamation" /><!-- s:!: -->