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Recommendations for Dusseldorf & St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #13

The area around the southern shore would put the thickest of our country accents to shame. So strange. I got off the plane and got greeted what sounded like Brad Pitt from Snatch. Suppose when all the boats left Ireland way back St Johns was one of the first places the landed. Quidi Vidi is not bad. It’s brewed just outside town and the area is WELL worth a visit and make sure to try the local Screech rum. They do a ceremony to with it so make you an honouree newfie which Involves kissing a cod or a puffin. Great fun. When are you going Adam? There is always a great nightlife in the downtown area . <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.georgestreetlive.ca/events/date/20110929/">www.georgestreetlive.ca/events/date/20110929/

Have Fun.
Nigel

Recommendations for Dusseldorf &amp; St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #14

I FINALLY managed to try a Schwarzbier that isn't Kostritzer and now I really wish I hadn't...

It LOOKS good; nice German lager head; nice dark schwartzbier color (like Kostritzer), the aroma is a tiny bit of roast and metal, if that's possible. -The first taste was very "worty" tasting like they cold steeped the roast malt and added it in the secondary.

The mouthfeel is nice but it tastes like potting soil smells right away; it's a STRONG and LINGERING flavor that fades to molasses if you can swallow it and then a bit of hop bitterness at the end.

Warsteiner owns this beer and I'm surprised they keep it going. The brewery's description says "Aromatic flavor, elegant in appearance. Aromatic Special malts give the beer its distinctive taste of black Herford. With a mild hop flavor." -The only Herford I know is a cow and if they're trying to say it tastes like licking a cow I'm not going to validate that but I can see how it would be possible. -Consider yourself warned on this beer. I hope it was just handled poorly.


Next up is Kostritzer with a nearly identical color and metalic smell; crap... same molassesy flavor. Either dinner really screwed up my palate or these beers have been sitting warm in the grocery store for a long time, or this beer really needs to be colder...

I'm dumping the rest of these and switching to the keller beer.

(I have 3 "landbiers" lined up for tomorrow; I'm really excited as it's just not a style that you hear anything about.)

[Edit] Cracked the bottle on a Monschof Kellerbier; AMAZING, honey colored, honey flavors, mead-like mouthfeel, some light balancing hop bitterness and light and pleasant phenols if that's possible in a lager. I'm going to have to bring another one of these home with me. Pott's Alt yesterday and Monschof Kellerbier; both make my "must try" list if you're in eastern central Germany, in my book.


Adam

Recommendations for Dusseldorf &amp; St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #15

"Landbier" -I have 4 beers that are labelled "landbier" but I'm not so sure this is actually a "style" per say. There's conflicting information from those trying to nail it down as a "style" (probably because it's not one) but certainly none of these 4 beers were bottle conditioned like "kellerbier" as some reported. There were some HUGELY oxidized beers in here and not in a remotely good way.



1. Herforder Landbier 4.8%, crown cap, 0.33L "our spicy speciality with special malt note! Original brewery, bottling" (yesterday's Herforder beer was pretty bad so I'm a bit scared) Hop extract; no yeast in bottle -Best Before September 2011

Med-to-High level of carbonation, looks like an alt beer (amber color darkened to a copper color), small med head, good retention; lacing; SAME JUNK TASTE as the schwartz bier -I FINALLY recognize the flavor; "cardboard" I called it weird things yesterday because I couldn't really identify it but the nose triggered it for me. This is what a super oxidized beer past its sell-by date taste like. YEA, I can identify cardboard now! Boo, it tastes like cardboard.


2. Detmolder Landbier Dunkel 4.8%, fliptop, 0.33L "real bottom-fermented dark fully mature" "from the fresh-water source of the Teutoburg forest, we brew our wholesome, amber, according to the good old way"$$ no hop extract (real hops only), not bottle conditioned; Best Before: 1/3/2012

Low carbonation level, thin, quickly dissipating head, same alt beer color but more brown than red or amber (called dunkel but doesn't appear to be much darker than the Herforder, if at all);
more pleasant, could've been good if it was 6 months newer; still cardboard but a lighter cardboard. -These German beers need the yeast in the bottle and they need to be stored COLD! The German "Getranke Markt" system that stores large quantities of beer in warm stores for months and months ruins beer. Hope I can find this fresh somewhere...


3. Wullners Braumeister Landbier 4.9% crowncap; 0.33L
description on bottle provides a "tip" to try their other beers; hop extract; best before 26/2/2012; no yeast

Medium to light carbonation; quickly dissipating; lighter colored than the other beers; no odd smells, slightly sweet, honey aroma; that great honey flavor, there's something weird but good going on on the mouthfeel that I absolutely cannot place sort of like the feeling of a peeled grape in a liquid form; tastes terrific. No oxidation at all. No metallic hints like alt bier (the water might be very soft on this one). I need to bring one of these home, too.

4. Potts Landbier 4.8%, fliptop; 0.33L
Description on bottle says that roast malt is used in this one; hops and no extract; best before: dec 22, 2011

Color is halfway in between the Wullners and the other two but with a medium to high level of carbonation; more fermentation character than the others (like "alt beer light"); an initial note of the roast malt that isn't completely positive but it quickly dissapears on subsequent tastes; same strange mouth-feel as the previous beer (is this what highly attenuated Munich malt does?) There is a slight bit of oxidation still but it's not distracting and not too bad considering it's not bottle conditioned and is pretty old at this point and was stored warm.


John, I've never wanted those highly attuned taste buds of yours around more than this week. I'm going to have to bring a couple of these home with me just to figure out what the heck I'm tasting and make sure I'm not crazy.


Beer in Germany (outside of Bayern), is in a sad, sad state; the race to the bottom in cost has resulted in corner cutting such as hop extract, and long-term warm stored beer that is highly oxidized. It might not be such a big deal in draft beer but bottled beer in Germany is SCREAMING to be bottle conditioned and stored cold. They're a lesson in how beer suffers as consumers demand a race to the bottom in terms of price. Don't condemn Irish craft beer to the same fate by being a cheap ass; you have to be willing to pay more for a better pint.


Adam
P.S. I'd REALLY love to see an Irish distributor find a way to start importing bottled German kellerbier; it appears to stand up WAY better than the filtered, bottles; it's like German "cask lager" in a bottle, if there were such a thing.

Recommendations for Dusseldorf &amp; St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #16

Distelhaus is the only landbier I've tasted, at Barry's place a few years ago. It was most like your description of the Wullners.

Recommendations for Dusseldorf &amp; St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #17

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:126i39qb wrote: Distelhaus is the only landbier I've tasted, at Barry's place a few years ago. It was most like your description of the Wullners.[/quote:126i39qb]

Then I HAVE TO bring you back a really cardboardy one to try; lol! (And the very nice Monschof Kellerbier to make up for it.)


Adam

Recommendations for Dusseldorf &amp; St. John's, Newfoundlan 14 years 8 months ago #18

I can't help thinking that bottled kellerbier, like bottled bitter, is one of those things that shouldn't really exist. But I won't talk myself out of a beer.

Bring the cardboardy one to a meeting so we can all sit round and discuss oxidation.
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